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Can the Chartering Facilitator be replaced? #969

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frivoal opened this issue Jan 8, 2025 · 2 comments
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Can the Chartering Facilitator be replaced? #969

frivoal opened this issue Jan 8, 2025 · 2 comments
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frivoal commented Jan 8, 2025

The Team appoints the chartering facilitator. Can they also replace them half way through if the person is for some reason not doing the work, or doing it so poorly that's hindering progress?

I'd say yes.

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plehegar commented Jan 8, 2025

agreed

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The Revising W3C Process CG just discussed Changing the Chartering Faciliator, and agreed to the following:

  • RESOLVED: Team can not just appoint, but also replace, the chartering facilitator.
The full IRC log of that discussion <fantasai> Subtopic: Changing the Chartering Faciliator
<fantasai> github: https://github.com//issues/969
<fantasai> plh: Agree, but I want to link that to how we pick WG chair.
<fantasai> florian: Similar, but WG chair is in the charter.
<fantasai> Ian: Difference in formality between WG chair and chartering facilitator.
<fantasai> ... e.g. WG chairs are in the charter, need to be announced to AC, etc. Lots of formality. AC cares a lot.
<fantasai> [...]
<fantasai> Ian: I think this is overengineered, but in the world it exists, I'll stand down.
<fantasai> plh: We effectively have a shepherd today.
<fantasai> florian: Shepherd is different. Might be the same person. But the primary responsibility is different.
<fantasai> ... shepherd's main job is to drive forward
<fantasai> ... facilitator's main job is to assess consensus
<fantasai> ... one person could do both, but the facilitator's job is to judge what others are thinking not to do what they like
<cwilso> q+
<fantasai> Ian: I understand your distinction, but in practice I think they're the same.
<plh> ack cw
<fantasai> florian: I've experience with comments being shut down because the shepherd didn't want to address them.
<fantasai> cwilso: Subtly different between chair and facilitator
<fantasai> ... Many people I would respect as participants, but wouldn't choose as chair.
<fantasai> Ian: Yes, but preparing a charter for AC doesn't feel like it needs that level of formality.
<Ian> q+
<fantasai> florian: Proposal is issue 969, saying "assuming the Process does state that the Team picks the Facilitator and announces that person, should the Team also be able to replace that person" And I believe the answer is yes.
<fantasai> cwilso: agreed
<fantasai> RESOLVED: Team can not just appoint, but also replace, the chartering facilitator.
<Ian> q-

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