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| From: <a href="mailto:[email protected]?Subject=Re:%20[SL4]%20JOIN:%20Dale%20Johnstone">[email protected]</a> | ||
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| <p>Ok, let's see if we can get the ball rolling here... | ||
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| <p>Hi, my name is Dale Johnstone, I'm a software developer from the UK. I've been programming for about 17 years. Worked mainly in the games industry, but I've always had my eye on AI. | ||
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| <p>A few years ago I came up with a design for an AI that could possibly end up triggering a singularity-type affair mentioned on Eliezers' web site. | ||
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| It's been a frustrating time trying to find the time to build it and still make a living too. | ||
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| <p>I also have some serious ethical concerns regarding a possible military seizure of the project. I think a 'grey goo'-like situation is possible with AI, call it a 'chrome army' scenario if you like. Truely smart weapons would be truely terrifying, and probably unstoppable (with the exception of having a nanotech defence). | ||
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| <p>So as you can imagine I'm a little concerned at the idea of open source AI. This possible scenario is not mentioned anywhere on the website. As the #1 rule is 'Don't fry the planet' I think it deserves some attention. | ||
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| <p>Anybody care to JOIN in and comment? | ||
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| <p>Dale. | ||
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| From: "Eliezer S. Yudkowsky" <<a href="mailto:[email protected]?Subject=Re:%20[SL4]%20Rogue%20AIs">[email protected]</a>> | ||
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| <p><a href="mailto:[email protected]?Subject=Re:%20[SL4]%20Rogue%20AIs">[email protected]</a> wrote: | ||
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| <em>> | ||
| </em><br> | ||
| <em>> A few years ago I came up with a design for an AI that could possibly end up triggering a singularity-type affair mentioned on Eliezers' web site. | ||
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| <em>> It's been a frustrating time trying to find the time to build it and still make a living too. | ||
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| <p>Join the club. | ||
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| <p><em>> I also have some serious ethical concerns regarding a possible military seizure of the project. I think a 'grey goo'-like situation is possible with AI, call it a 'chrome army' scenario if you like. Truely smart weapons would be truely terrifying, and probably unstoppable (with the exception of having a nanotech defence). | ||
| </em><br> | ||
| <p>My book on the situation has been that AI that's dumb enough to be a | ||
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| willing tool will, indeed, have military applications. Virtually | ||
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| everything does. I don't think those military applications are so | ||
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| extreme as to grant an unbeatable advantage in war, especially if both | ||
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| sides have the AI. And there's no intrinsic imbalance between offense | ||
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| and defense. In information warfare, for example, an ounce of defensive | ||
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| AI will probably turn out to be worth a pound of offensive AI. | ||
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| <p>Genuine AI might seriously exacerbate the nanotechnology problem, | ||
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| however. As it is, we're likely to see giant, unwieldy vats | ||
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| synthesizing diamondoid fighter jets years before we have to deal with | ||
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| actual goo. AI could seriously compress that time period. | ||
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| <p>I don't really see a feasible alternative, however. | ||
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| <p><em>> So as you can imagine I'm a little concerned at the idea of open source AI. This possible scenario is not mentioned anywhere on the website. As the #1 rule is 'Don't fry the planet' I think it deserves some attention. | ||
| </em><br> | ||
| <p>I'll join in a sigh to the general sentiment. Ultraproductivity kicking | ||
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| hell out of the economy, military applications of everything... | ||
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| accelerating the future is like tap-dancing through a minefield. Around | ||
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| the most you can do is hope to accelerate the defensive, social, and | ||
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| cushioning aspects of a technology ahead of the offensive, | ||
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| destabilizing, and sudden-shock aspects. A tradition going back to | ||
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| Drexler and hypertext. | ||
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| -- | ||
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